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In the absence of an RP-PvP option, which server type would you prefer?

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Frostglade 26th May 2014

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Howdy,

Given the everlasting lack of information about the existence of RP-PvP rule set in the set of launch servers I'd like to know the opinion of you people's preference of the type of server we'd fall back to. This is becoming especially topical, given that the server name lists will only be revealed 72-24 hours prior to early access, which does not leave much time for us if we make a decision after they've been revealed.

Unfortunately the thread about an unofficial RP-PvP server on the official forums is as dead as a dodo. So far the only comments from the various RP-PvP guilds are mostly about rolling on the RP-PvE server and perma-flagging there. A minority have said that they're going to roll on a PvP server, and the majority of those happens to be NA guilds. Then there's the last group, the guilds of which will most likely split up.

I'm still hoping that Carbine will see sense and give us one RP-PvP server per region. I just can't see how they have come to the assumption that RP-PvP servers don't have much of a population. RP servers in general are known for their mature and friendly server communities, where some (but nowhere near all) people RP since they enjoy it. The RP'ers arrange social events, open world PvP fights between opposing factions and other kind of stuff that even non-RP'ers can take a part in and enjoy without the need for RP'ing themselves.

As nice as it would be to be able to RP, and have an RP community, on an unofficial server without the problem of harassers and griefers, this is very rarely the case... especially when it comes to PvP servers. Sure, there will always be problematic players on RP servers, no doubt about it, but the amount tends to be significantly smaller on RP servers. RP'ing on unofficial servers is often met by non-RP'ers lacking the tolerance of having others RP on their server, even if they would otherwise be unaffected by it. This has been shown already on the petition thread by Aussie PvP'ers. I have also experienced the lack of manners, hostility and the horrifying lack of grammar that PvP communities have a tendency to develop myself.

So, after all of that, what is the point here?

The point is that given the original plan of rolling on an RP-PvP server, in the absence of one, the choices are either RP-PvE or PvP. I know that some might prefer a PvP server, some a PvE one and some an RP one. Thus the poll.

There would of course be no need for such a poll if the winning rule set (RP-PvP) would've won the poll on our old website by a landslide majority in the first place. The votes between RP (any), PvE and PvP were, however, somewhat evenly split. The following list includes the results from the first poll on our old website. The votes for each option are split between the subsets it includes (i.e. 1 vote for "Any PvE" is ½ a vote for PvE and ½ a vote for RP-PvE, and 1 vote for "Any will do" is ¼ a vote for each).

  • PvE - 3.25 votes ( 21.67 % )
  • PvP - 2.25 votes ( 15.00 % )
  • RP-PvE - 6.25 votes ( 41.67 % )
  • RP-PvP - 3.25 votes ( 21.67 % )

Due to the results of the first poll, the second poll was held to choose between the two types of RP servers. This was back when all the RP servers were announced to be available at launch. Similarly, the results from that one were:

  • RP-PvE - 6 votes ( 42.86 % )
  • RP-PvP - 8 votes ( 57.14 % )

As can be seen from these results, while RP-PvP didn't win in the first round, it rounded up slightly over half of the votes in the second round. Nevertheless the RP-PvE was always a strong contestant (won the first round, barely lost the second).Judging by the results from these polls, the logical option would be to go for the option that came in second: RP-PvE.

I'm aware that some would prefer the PvP option if not only for the open world PvP it offers. I'm all for it myself but even so, the most important part for me is to have a healthy, friendly, mature and enjoyable server community. I'm willing to wander around the world perma-flagged, if need be, on a server where the amount of griefers and general twonkage is the bare minimum. Given the choice between having a server with arranged events, well-behaved players and the occasional RP, and one with likely harassment toward RP'ers, gank mentality etc... I'll go for the first any time.

Another worry some of you have is the population of the server. From what I've gathered, the RP-PvE server should be a rather popular one. Even if it might not be 100 % full 24/7, a major good part of RP server communities is they tend to stick to the game longer than the "game hoppers" one might encounter on regular PvE and PvP servers. A part of this is due to the social events etc that keep the server alive and well.

So, after all that, if there will be no RP-PvP servers, my vote would be to roll on an RP-PvE server. If it really does come to that, I will have duplicates of my characters on the RP-PvE server anyway in order to be able to occasionally RP and take part in events (also since it really looks like there will be no unofficial RP-PvP server due to the lack of guilds' interest in arranging one). This might cause the levelling of my characters to slow down a bit but, given the chance, I'll be at the game as much as possible anyway .

So, I'm interested in knowing all of your opinions on the matter. Which option would you prefer and why? I'd like everyone to voice their opinion on the matter so that no one will be left out of the discussion.


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Geekbyte 26th May 2014

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For me I'd rather go PvP.

As much as RP is important to some I doubt it would be something I'd engage in fully when playing as I'd be levelling, adventuring, dungeoning or dying in PvP.

As long as we're together and enjoying what WildStar has to offer, that's the important part and RP'ing is a user enhancement wrapped around the game lore, but is optional and can still be done outside an RP server.


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Boddymut 26th May 2014

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PVP im not that into rp in video games so its not a big draw for me and i dont rely whant to endup felling like im stuck to a rp-pve server after some days, like my open world pvp and if for some resone i whant to raid i fell the ods of me finding a rading guild is higer on pvp server then the rp server (not that we might not raid but im just saying you need 20ppl that play all the time)
Frostglade 26th May 2014

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The choice of an RP server is not only about RP'ing for me. Instead, I've found the RP servers I've played on in the past MMOs to be more social, have a better-behaving playerbase, less ganking, awesome open world PvP fights when arranged etc.

Another difference is that on PvP servers the general populace is not favourable toward roleplayers. They're open targets for harassment (from the same faction) and ganking (from the opposite). While doing the open world PvP through perma-flagging on RP servers has its downsides (hit-and-run enemies), PvP is not frowned upon.

EDIT: Another thing to point out is that no one is forced to RP on an RP server. Basically an RP-PvE server is a PvE server but one that is labelled for RP'ers to gather on.


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Boddymut 26th May 2014

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im not saying that the standard general chat on pvp servers a good but its ez to just not go into it and whit circles its a nice way of make your owne segregated community, i cant stand pve servers and its not some hit and run if you start wining or you endup ganking some solo player your gona get hit and runers on you hapens all the time ppl stand on the edge of the snowballfeald and throw snowballs at you
Frostglade 26th May 2014

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Quote-- with circles it's a nice way of making your own segregated community --

That would be the case, yes, if there were any RP-PvP guilds going onto a PvP server. Given the lack of an initial RP community on a PvP server, the difficulty of trying to grow one post-launch will be from a pain in the arse to outright infinitesimal. This is why there has to be an RP-PvP server at launch or it's going to be a bullet to the RP-PvP community's head from the get-go.



"It will be happened, it shall be going to be happening, it will be was an event that could will have been taken place in the future." - Arnold J. Rimmer

Fernwym 26th May 2014

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A tough call, did fancy a change in playing on a PvP server but my one RP server experience in the past was a good one, gone with RP-PvE and hope they bring up an RP-PVP server soon after launch, in the meantime I'm happy to be perma PVP enabled in the RP server.
TeaTimes 26th May 2014

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RP-PvE for me. For some reasons. I've spent most of my time in WoW with roleplaying. Just because the actual PvE content got too boring at one point. (I was never much of a PvP person in WoW)

I need to relax and just play a bit of RP every now an then. Never really stayed long with a game if there wasn't  the option to do RP. I need it to relate to my character for some reason so I can actually enjoy the game.

Another thing I've seen is that the community is better on RP-Server (PvE or PvP) people seem to have a bit more respect for other people. There usually is some spam in the Zone / Trade channels but it's far worse on non-RP servers.

I do like the idea of Open-World-PvP but in my opinion it's not worth the bad community and losing roleplay.


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Nelim 26th May 2014

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PVP for me. Not that into RP personally.


Tapsumbong 26th May 2014

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Apologies in advance for the wall of text

I've voted PvP for now, but what's most important to me is that the server we end up on is well populated and there's lots going on when level cap is reached.  I am not adverse to rolling on an RP-PVE server, but I may need a little convincing.

My reasoning so far:-

I love PvP, but pretty much can't stand most PvPers...however I have learned that by slowly putting all the idiots on ignore I can eventually make a friends list of cool people who don't type in a form of the english language that makes me cringe and don't intentionally misspell words because they think it's cool,  (eg. OMG engi too stronk!!! teh devs need nerf dat plz kk, etc).  Infact, just thinking about all the morons makes me want to change my vote to RP-PVE already...

That said I also hate pve server flagging. I always remember a moment in WoW when I was playing as my rogue, and the "famous" alliance rogue who used to make videos and put them on youtube tried to gank me when I was on my way to a MC raid.  I noticed my mount change direction quickly from the distract skill, and knew straight away I was being chased, so I dismounted, stealthed and got the jump on him instead.  Played it perfectly, got my blind in after the first combo so I could reset my skills and pop back in stealth to go in for the finishing eviscerate combo.  Just as I was about to get the final shot in for the flawless victory?  His pvp flagged off, meaning not only did I not get a well deserved perfect kill, but I was now on the back foot, with no cooldowns left, unable to hit him, but with him able to attack me whenever he wanted as I was still flagged...this my reward for playing him so well that he couldn't get a single hit in.  Fortunately I got on the zeppelin where my guildies were, and didn't end up as a starring victim on one of his videos, but since that day, I have had a grudge against PVE servers and their PVP flagging mechanics.

I also recognize that I am just a trialist in the guild and have never played with any of you before.  Whilst you all seem like really nice people through our forum interaction, I still don't know whether we'll all get along in game and whether the WEIRDOS will become my permanent home (hey I'm just being honest!).  Whilst, all signs are that you are the type of people I'd like to be part of a community with, I'm not keen on the idea of ending up on an RP-PVE server I wouldn't have chosen if not for the guild.  We don't know what character transfers are going to cost (probably something obscene like £15!), and with my plan to level 6 characters together, it's a big risk for me to make them all on a type of server I have no experience with.  Which brings me to my next point!

RP servers, I have no experience with them at all, which is quite surprising seeming as I have a fairly creative mind, sense of humour and generally enjoy clowning around when not engaged in battle.  So I ask you, is the community in RP servers really that much better than non RP servers?  Normal PVP servers, in my experience are full of some of the biggest tossers known to humanity, normal PVE servers, which tend to fair a little better, still have their fair share of elitist douchebags and other unsavory types.  

Are RP servers exempt from these types of character?  Is the RP community really that much more sociable and nice that it would outweigh the annoyance of PVP flagging mechanics?  Is the RP-PVE server likely to be a high population server where finding things to do when guildies aren't around will be an uncomplicated task? 

Rustain 26th May 2014

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I played on a RP server in WoW during cata and i've got to say it just felt like a normal PvE server with a handful of people RP'ing during the evenings in Orgrimmar. That saying there wasn't as big a raiding/pvp community as normal PvE servers and there were still arseholes on the server. 
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TeaTimes 26th May 2014

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QuoteAre RP servers exempt from these types of character?  Is the RP community really that much more sociable and nice that it would outweigh the annoyance of PVP flagging mechanics?

Let me try to say something about that. You'll always find stupid people. On RP servers there are even people who try to annoy RPers as much as possible. BUT those are the only ones I've found so far which are really really bad.

Usually the tone in Zone / Trade / etc. chat is a really friendly one and more than once you'll even see people selling their stuff in character which usually makes it really funny to read. ("So uhm.. I found this helmet while I was mowing through a horde of ravenous Mordesh.. it looks pretty neat but my big Granok-head just won't fit in it. Want to sell it for a proper price.. You might even get a discount cause of the scratches from trying it on. Hit me with your bid." ) Or something like that - I'm not really good at it :/

I love the way most people even if they don't RP try to talk in a nice way at least in /say chat and the conversations you can sometimes overhear in a big city or if you stumble over an RP event. Even if you don't participate in RP it makes the game-world feel more real. Like they're NPCs in a single-player RPG. It brings life to the world. Am I somewhat understandable here?

Also I never had the problem of having not enough people for groups. Actually I found that if you asked for a group on the RP servers there'd be more people willing to join. (They might not be the best at the game but at least you're usually small talking a bit while in the Dungeon. You're not just running from one mob to the next and after the Dungeon all you said was "Hi" and "GG bye".)

Hope that gave you an impression of my RP-Server experience so far.


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Meltup 26th May 2014

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As most of us want a healthy community, I voted for RP-PvE. Their hugs are something 

Imao PvP game mechanic is more interesting and lore-based. But harassing PvPers with RP events in order to force Carbine open RP-PvP server is too annoying (and that is, definitely, the last thing I want to do after a hard workday). 
QuoteSo far the only comments from the various RP-PvP guilds are mostly about rolling on the RP-PvE server and perma-flagging there. 
I am not sure which guilds are going to do that... but it didn't work ever. Always-on PvP flag gives only a disadvantage vs player with freely-switched PvP flag that wants to kill you.


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Frostglade 26th May 2014

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QuoteI am not sure which guilds are going to do that... but it didn't work ever. Always-on PvP flag gives only a disadvantage vs player with freely-switched PvP flag that wants to kill you.

Yeah, they're not happy about it, and are doing it begrudgingly but still many have said they'd rather roll on an RP-PvE server than an unofficial RP-PvP server, where they'd be bait for harassment.



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Frostglade 27th May 2014

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We're still missing quite a few votes from our WEIRD-Os!

Please voice your opinion on this matter, all of you .


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PVP for me. For me playing a game which has pve and pvp servers, feels like im playing a game with missing content if im on a pve server.
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Nelim 27th May 2014

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Uhm, I really dislike PvE so it's awfull I can't vote twice. Before I said what's the reason but this feeling comes from waaaaay back.

In the OpenWorld you'll find Dominion scum running around. They try to steal all of Nexus to rule the server. What will happen is, they will go to the same fields where we train for the elder game and make our lifes miserable.

What we then do is grab the Son of a B**** by the balls and kill the scum for Exiles pride and joy. Because we want to defend our Rowdowsers.

Then comes the moment we find out we can't kill them because we are only playin against the enviroment. Like we play together with them, the scum.

I know allot of you like RP. But is it worth it to let those Dominion get away freely with taking our Planets on a less populated server because there might be a somewhat more mature community? I don't think so, and I hope we play on a PvP server with a high population.

/Nelim


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PVP Regardless of RP or not for me.


Boddymut 27th May 2014

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The big problem i got is that i was never looking forward to be playing on a rp server to start whit and now when you ppl whant to play pve its even worse, if i got pvp-rp i was okey the it was a comprimise like you got the rp and i got my open world pvp that i whant but now its just fuck you for whanting to play pvp might end up playing on a difrent server cant stand pve
TeaTimes 27th May 2014

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QuoteThe big problem i got is that i was never looking forward to be playing on a rp server to start whit and now when you ppl whant to play pve its even worse, if i got pvp-rp i was okey the it was a comprimise like you got the rp and i got my open world pvp that i whant but now its just fuck you for whanting to play pvp might end up playing on a difrent server cant stand pve

Same problem here. I was never too keen for PvP but the RP part made it okay.
So now if you guys want to go and play on a PvP only sever it's the same situation for me. So I guess it would be: "Fuck you for wanting to play RP."

I'll still play with you XSG-guys but I will have some characters on a RP sever.


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